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It's important for students to know and
 

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It's important for students to know and
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for I think just everybody to know what
 

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for I think just everybody to know what
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the court has said about different uh
 

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the court has said about different uh
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different cases. Being able to do that
 

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different cases. Being able to do that
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here at Auburn and having the type of
 

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here at Auburn and having the type of
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students that I have and their
 

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students that I have and their
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engagement with the material and and
 

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engagement with the material and and
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just how solid of students that they
 

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just how solid of students that they
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are, it's really gratifying for me to be
 

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are, it's really gratifying for me to be
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able to to teach them. There's different
 

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able to to teach them. There's different
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aspects of a professor's job. You know,
 

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aspects of a professor's job. You know,
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there's sometimes administrative
 

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there's sometimes administrative
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aspects, there's, you know, the
 

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aspects, there's, you know, the
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research, there's outreach, there's
 

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research, there's outreach, there's
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other things, but for me, the teaching
 

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other things, but for me, the teaching
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is the best part. you know, I I lay out
 

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is the best part. you know, I I lay out
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all the requirements and some of them
 

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all the requirements and some of them
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are kind of demanding and uh and
 

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are kind of demanding and uh and
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watching how they respond to that has
 

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watching how they respond to that has
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just always been just amazing. It really
 

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just always been just amazing. It really
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has. Between the the cases they've had
 

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has. Between the the cases they've had
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to memorize and the paper they had to
 

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to memorize and the paper they had to
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write and the moot court experience when
 

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write and the moot court experience when
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they get through, by and large, they
 

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they get through, by and large, they
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feel like they've accomplished something
 

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feel like they've accomplished something
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pretty significant. the case law affects
 

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pretty significant. the case law affects
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their, you know, their thinking and and
 

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their, you know, their thinking and and
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how they look at the world daytoday now
 

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how they look at the world daytoday now
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and in the future because again there's
 

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and in the future because again there's
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all these these different sources of of
 

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all these these different sources of of
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information telling them what a right is
 

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information telling them what a right is
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or what a a constitutional liberty is or
 

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or what a a constitutional liberty is or
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what the court has said and they can
 

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what the court has said and they can
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push back at that say well actually you
 

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push back at that say well actually you
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know that's not what the court said you
 

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know that's not what the court said you
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know you're telling me the court said
 

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know you're telling me the court said
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this much but the court actually said
 

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this much but the court actually said
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that much now we have a moot court
 

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that much now we have a moot court
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exercise where the kids have an
 

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exercise where the kids have an
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opportunity to roleplay a cases
 

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opportunity to roleplay a cases
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currently before the Supreme Court and
 

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currently before the Supreme Court and
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so they end up often having to roleplay
 

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so they end up often having to roleplay
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a justice uh that they're not
 

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a justice uh that they're not
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ideologically compatible with. And
 

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ideologically compatible with. And
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that's just a great thing. They're like,
 

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that's just a great thing. They're like,
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I can't stand Thomas Thomas, but I had
 

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I can't stand Thomas Thomas, but I had
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to be him for this role, and now I can
 

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to be him for this role, and now I can
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kind of understand where he's coming
 

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kind of understand where he's coming
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from. And I think that type of exercise
 

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from. And I think that type of exercise
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is always very important. I think the
 

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is always very important. I think the
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media uh tries to push narrative that
 

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media uh tries to push narrative that
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we're all red or blue, but most people
 

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we're all red or blue, but most people
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are kind of purple. I personally believe
 

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are kind of purple. I personally believe
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that we live in a world where the
 

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that we live in a world where the
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tendency is to just, you know, close my
 

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tendency is to just, you know, close my
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my ears and say, "I don't want to hear
 

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my ears and say, "I don't want to hear
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your side." And that's never been a good
 

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your side." And that's never been a good
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way to win an argument. I've told my
 

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way to win an argument. I've told my
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students before that the best way to win
 

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students before that the best way to win
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an argument is to know your position
 

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an argument is to know your position
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inside out and still be able to reject
 

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inside out and still be able to reject
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it. So I think these students, they're
 

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it. So I think these students, they're
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they're better. They don't necessarily
 

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they're better. They don't necessarily
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convert to one ideology or another, but
 

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convert to one ideology or another, but
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they understand the other side's views
 

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they understand the other side's views
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and that makes them their own thoughts,
 

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and that makes them their own thoughts,
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I think, a lot stronger because they can
 

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I think, a lot stronger because they can
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understand and refute what the other
 

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understand and refute what the other
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side is saying. But you can't do that
 

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side is saying. But you can't do that
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unless you have an opportunity to learn
 

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unless you have an opportunity to learn
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what the other side is is thinking about
 

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what the other side is is thinking about
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things. My name is Steven Brown. I hold
 

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things. My name is Steven Brown. I hold
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the Morris Savage Endowed Chair in the
 

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the Morris Savage Endowed Chair in the
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Department of Political Science and I'm
 

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Department of Political Science and I'm
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a recipient of the Gerald and Emily
 

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a recipient of the Gerald and Emily
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Leechuck Endowed Presidential Award for
 

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Leechuck Endowed Presidential Award for
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